The doctor previously mentioned “cross-talk” between nerves that run together in the c2 area. myofacial pain syndrome with a trigger point in occipital area, factitious (i.e. The papers given to (I have multiple issues in the levels above that as well, but these were not bad enough for intervention.) "Pulsed radiofrequency for the treatment of occipital neuralgia: a prospective study with 6 months of follow-up." In general, topical treatment for nerve pain is a good idea. palpation of the area behind the right ear. I don’t have light sensitivity, but I read that pressure behind the eye (which I have) and light sensitivity can be caused by occipital neuritis. Even if I feel better after the injection, I’m not sure this is a long-term answer to my problems. I finally had a cervical MRI, which showed pretty bad cord compression on the left side of C6-C7. physicians told me that even lower cervical stenosis can cause dizziness due to critical for antidepressant treatment of neuropathic pain." They "solarcaine"). If the occipital nerve block doesn't work, it is likely that the pain is coming from somewhere else. are given in doses similar to used for epilepsy, but more leeway is "Occipital neuralgia and the C1-2 arthrosis syndrome." When I woke up Tuesday morning (day 5) I felt dramatically better… very minimal head issues and almost non-existent dizziness!!! Zostrix works by depleting substance P from nerve There are two branches to the occipital nerve -- the greater and lesser. Over the next few months, the dizziness continued to get worse. (Huang et al, 2012; Choi et al, 2012; Ducic et al, 2014; Hamer et al, 2014). Fast forward many months and many doctors, and a dentist gave me steroid injections into the occipital area in multiple places on the left side of my head. She also said she has had many patients with issues at the roots and the trigeminal ganglion and probably the acoustic and vestibular thing as “communication” between the nerve roots as referenced above. Xray showing leads for occipital nerve stimulator. These are mainly used for post-herpetic neuralgia rather than ON. Acar, F., J. Miller, et al. often caused by an auto-accident where the head impacts the headrest. If I continue to improve, I may cancel the appointment and just wait to see what happens. Clin Anat 19(4): 332-336. After six hours, I felt pretty much normal. Ann Plast Surg 72(4): 439-445. It’s now 3 1/2 weeks since my last injection, and I just wanted to provide another update. "Identification of greater occipital nerve landmarks for the treatment of occipital neuralgia." following). I will be sure to post and provide follow-up as to if the injection helps in a month or two…. Right after the procedure, the left side of my head was blissfully numb, but by the time I got home from the surgery center the intermittent pressure, tingling and strange burning/cold sensation on various places on the left back & side of my head were stronger than ever, but in a weird sort of way. I was told the steroids usually take 3 to 5 days (but up to a couple weeks) to kick-in, but the lidocaine would have immediate effect. I further read that occipital neuritis symptoms are worse when lying down. "Pain relief after cervical ganglionectomy (C2 and C3) for the treatment of medically intractable occipital neuralgia." Ganglioneurectomy is a more drastic surgical procedure than a rhizotomy. Of course, rhizotomy may also cause denervation pain. Occipital neuralgia is a rare type of chronic headache disorder. information to the central nervous system (brain) regarding where one is in Yalcin, Zostrix is a cream that is Cervicogenic headache is due to a problem from the first three spinal nerves while occipital neuralgia is caused by the inflammation or injury of the occipital nerves. Sahai-Srivastava, S. and L. Zheng (2011). J Korean Neurosurg Soc 51(5): 281-285. Oh, and my left "The course of the greater occipital nerve in the suboccipital region: a proposal for setting landmarks for local anesthesia in patients with occipital neuralgia." Natsis et al, 2006). Conroy et al, 2010). Have you tried blocks/injections for your occipital neuralgia? "Cervical myelitis mimicking intractable occipital neuralgia." The back of my head burns, throbs, and is sensitive to the touch, I even cut all my hair off due to the pain. Chiropractic manipulations of the neck are another potential source. After reading multiple papers, my personal working theory is that due to injury, some people have irritation in the neck that triggers a cascade of inflammatory reactions that causes eustachian tube dysfunction. I have had some dry needling done and the pain went straight to my ear! Associated symptoms include posterior scalp paresthesias, photophobia, and dizziness. Here’s an I also wanted to post in case someone on this forum has a similar etiology for their vestibular issues. (2006). According to Vanelderen (2010), pulsed radiofrequency treatment is a promising treatment. These are commonly used for trigeminal neuralgia. frequently used for neuralgia. My neck is back into spasm and more occipital nerve flare ups and the dizziness is worse. Nevertheless, usually an astute clinician can draw a reasonable conclusion - - relief from blocks, and signs of severe pain (such as hypertension) during attacks often allow one to draw a reasonable inference. I don’t want to get my hopes up too high that I finally have an answer, but everything sure makes sense. dizziness-and-balance.com. nerves that run through the upper cervical spine. Not sure if it will help…. injection! Occipital neuralgia is a type of headache. then intense burning on the left side of my head (back, behind the ear, on the (2009). That, too, started back up a couple days after my neck was moved around. I am now 100% sure my dizziness resulted from damage to my neck doing sit-ups, causing occipital neuritis. I’ll be anxious to see how you feel after this is done. Medications are usually not helpful for (I woke up with it this morning, but it disappeared within an hour or so.) (2010). the left side under my mouth), and the mechanism of these sensations was Radiofrequency ganglio-neurectomy (RFGN) clicking/popping in my left ear.) Usually non-narcotic pain killers are not strong enough to Once I had that fused the dizziness stopped. Choi, H. J., et al. Treatments appear to be in very slow evolution. A 44-year-old man, former professional tennis player, with medical history of hypertension, migraine, and sleep apnea presented to the pain clinic with primary complaint of dizziness with neck movement accompanied by mild neck pain and Mason, J. O., 3rd, B. Katz, et al. In general I started piecing this together today after reading an article stating one can suffer from occipital neuralgia after a sustained period of having the neck down and forward. Just a question of curiosity…not a recommendation for action necessarily. The ENT told me that some people feel dizzy for a day or so after having the slit put in the ear drum. She EMLA contains a local anesthetic -- it is similar to sunburn sprays (e.g. Phenol -- Another denervation method, with danger of phantom pain. Neuralgic pain is characteristically sharp and shooting in nature and distributed over the area of the nerve affected. (2010). I essentially feel really well. Purpose of review: Occipital neuralgia (ON) and cervicogenic headache (CGH) are secondary headache disorders with occipital pain as a key feature. Thus in our otoneurology practice, the ratio of ON to migraine is about 1:100. J Neurosurg 61(5): 961-965. "Response of cervicogenic headaches and occipital neuralgia to radiofrequency ablation of the C2 dorsal root ganglion and/or third occipital nerve." times, patients with occipital neuralgia may experience Eagles syndrome was proposed, but X-rays did not bear this out. 65(2): 218-25. so it’s not unusual for someone with occipital neuralgia to have I recall walking through the mall that first day feeling like I was going to walk into walls!) This generally requires X-ray control. (With the exception of that 3 month period after my first injection, Another SNRI antidepressant, venlafaxine, is a very good drug for migraine. (Last time I only did the left side of C2.) Pain Pract 10(2): 137-144. To us, this seems to be similar to RFGN, but less sophisticated. "Occipital neuralgia with and without migraine: difference in pain characteristics and risk factors." While it may have some advantages over RFGN, including a partial damage rather than complete nerve section, the appropriate probes to treat ON are not available in the USA. Cervicogenic headache and occipital neuralgia are both concerned with pain on the neck and head. We don't know why an old drug like lidocaine put into a patch should cost so much. This lasted for 2 days, and then the head pressure came back along with the dreaded dizziness after I walked-up a long flight of stairs at a baseball stadium. 5% lidocaine Gel has been studied and shown to have good results with no side Cryo -- This is another way of damaging the nerve. Surely, I’m not the only patient that has experienced this! My children and husband, however, all said they felt like they were still on a turbulent plane ride for the rest of the day so I’m sure there was some Mal de Debarquement going on for me as well. Diagnostic blocks of the occipital nerve abolished the pain. days post-injection. The ETD, in turn, may lead to dizziness due to pressure imbalances between the middle and inner ears. I read that migraine pain and occipital neuralgia pain can be difficult to differentiate, so I posted this information in case anyone here is interested. "Occipital neuralgia manifesting as orofacial pain." Similarly, an injury to the occipital nerves close to the spinal cord prior to emerging into the skull would be untouched by a peripheral occipital nerve block. One of the most common variants is the Klippel-Feil Syndrome where the second and third vertebral bodies are fused. I am always a little hesitant to provide updates since I understand there is some reluctance on this board to believe that neck issues (outside of strictly defined “cervico-vertigo”) can cause dizziness. Would last a day or two then feel fine in between. Vascular imaging may be done to look for carotid or vertebral dissection or vascular compression. Some branches of vestibulocochlear nerve are present in the ears as well as the neck which is why pain may be felt in the ears and in the muscles of the neck at the same time. Pressure over the occipital nerves may I wonder if a combination of steroid injections to treat the injury and migraine medications to interrupt the neuronal cascade would yeild a better result in closing off both ends of the feedback loop? This is a similar distribution to our migraine patients. EMLA cream has also been used. others can also be used. A comprehensive review of occipital neuralgia can be found in an article by Vanelderen et al. Many patients with occipital neuralgia report a A That didn’t help me, either, except for the technique used by a substitute PT who was filling in for one week. Nausea. (Exercise is known to aggravate ON…) However, the fact that I had SOME change from the injections is diagnostic. I’m popping some ibuprofen a couple times a day, and that seems to help. Serious complications include lead migration. Do you have any issues like that? Kim, J. S., et al. Mine has been pretty bad lately and I’m going to be on vacation soon. The ON takes most of its origin from the C2 nerve root. Weakness; Posterior scalp paresthesias (pinning or tingling sensation at the back of the skull) photophobia; Dizziness; Often occipital neuralgia followed a series which occurs as a pain-spasm-pain. with the trigeminal nerve ganglion (I think she said in the brain stem or maybe Yes I have popping, crackling, full feeling, high pitched noise and blockage. I, for one, appreciate the posts on this subject, KennedyLane. As a general comment, these all involve doing something fairly long lasting -- usually damaging the occipital nerve. In fact, I had all the ear symptoms you mentioned, and they all went away (except the high-pitch tinnitus) pretty quickly after the blocks. This has been going on now for over a month. (Cady, 2007). Ehni, G. and B. Benner (1984). During the appointment, she manipulated my neck and had me bring by head as far down, back and side-to-side as I could. After having these 3 day migraines continuously for years I started to develop a burning pain on the right hand side at the back of the head where the migraine had been, I was always left with this after the migraine, I called it neuralgia at the back of my head, no painkillers would touch this and I couldn’t lay my head back on the pillow (difficult as I have to sleep that way as if my head falls to the left or right I wake with vertigo). (gabapentin) are the most commonly used drugs (Robotham et al, 1998). ugh. The arteries and veins that supply and carry blood from the ear, pass through the neck. A problem with RFGN is denervation pain -- which may be worse than the original neuralgia. Physical therapy and cortisone injections can relieve the pain. Occipital neuralgia can be extremely painful, and there are several treatment approaches. Ann Neurol but it is different. Between the Inderal for my migraine head pain and managing my neck muscles it has helped the dizziness. Among them were 2 oto-neurologists, several ENTs, 2 neurologists, 2 neurosurgeons and several primary care doctors. J Clin Neurol 10(1): 72-73. around the eye, which is innervated by one of the TN branches. In our practice, as of the end of 2014, we had 30 patients diagnosed with occipital neuralgia, compared to nearly 3000 patients with migraine. I felt overall pretty well for three months, and I was so excited to get back my life. endings. It occurs when pain stems from the occipital region and spreads through the occipital nerves. Soybean c1 and c2/3 (upper cervical) with dizziness that resolved with injections. I agree that it is great to share information on the forum. Most of the time, the injury is to the greater ON. observation that this method is effective for most types of local nerve pain but it is extremely expensive. SNRI type antidepressants such as Cymbalta are used I’ve had other strange, intermittent symptoms in my face(twitching left eye, Talk to our Chatbot to narrow down your search. (I did this for the 4 nights I was away…) I had assumed my issues returned when the steorid “wore off.” In hindsight, I believe I reinjured the occipital nerve by lying in that neck bent and forward position for hours…. Cady, R. K. (2007). 4.1k views Reviewed >2 … I will be seeing the doctor again for a follow-up next week and will ask more questions about the exact connection between ON (which can mimic migraines) and dizziness. If the site of injury is one of the upper cervical nerve roots, then a more complex C2 cervical nerve block may need to be used. My next step? It is just every now and then if I extend my neck that the C2/C3 will give me fits and dizziness. 2 1/2 weeks is the longest I’ve gone without that annoying full sensation and My left ear has that intermittent clogged sensation/popping/crackling. Read more at Buzzle: buzzle.com/articles/ear-and-neck-pain.html, I have connected more dots here as to why my symptoms came back suddenly after a 3 month period of drastic improvement following a steroid injection at c2. in the back and top of the head is transmitted to the brain by the two greater sedation, dry mouth, weight gain). If one accepts the thesis that whiplash can cause ON, and that chiropractic "snapping" resembles whiplash, the lack of papers on this is anomalous. It starts in the upper neck or back of the head and can radiate behind the eyes and over the scalp. pain referred to any of the trigeminal nerve branches, especially the area Last time, it Just an update… I had the nerve block at c2 (nerve ganglion and occipital nerve) one week ago (Thursday) early morning. problems. Furthermore, some patients may have a positive Tinel’s amplify the pain, but there is usually no clear trigger. Neuromodulation 2(3): 217-221. (Sahai-Srivastava et al, 2011). I ments (eg, extension and rotation) may trigger pain. Along with the 3 day occipital migraines I had pressure and tingling above the ears (temples) pressure on top of my head, tingling around the mouth, blocked nose, tinnitus, much of what you have mentioned. At (2010). Occipital neuralgia is caused by damage to the occipital nerves, which can arise from trauma (usually concussive or cervical), physical stress on the nerve, repetitive neck contraction, flexion or extension, and/or as a result of medical complications (such as osteochondroma, a benign bone tumour). I have occipital neuralgia and have done dry needling (which gave me pain straight to my ear…imagine that) as well as massage and having my VRT see that my C2 is in alignment! nerve and the superior sympathetic ganglion. Occipital neuralgia is actually very uncommon, especially in comparison to migraine. I am glad you are finding some answers. (2008). Talk to our Chatbot to narrow down your search. and loss of smell and taste. In mid-June, out of the blue, the head pressure came back worse than it ever has been. This may be due to "convergence" of pain input triggering a common pathway of migraine. For occipital neuralgia, if the site of injury is the nerve itself such as when the nerve is bruised on the headrest of a car, the nerves should be blocked. (I guess that’s the same Ducic et al (2014) reported in a metanalysis that the success rate was 68%, but the serious complication rate was 31.5%. Presently, GONB also is used for treating dizziness and tinnitus, again mainly when associated with head and neck trauma. used for this purpose. Nortryptyline, desipramine and disappeared since my c2 injection. back mid-June after a 3 month hiatus following my first injection, I had been I’ll keep updating this thread in case it’s of any use to others here…. Origin of occipital nerves from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gray800.png. They are in the pathway of the occipital nerve. Paralysis beta-blockers should be avoided (Yalcin et al, 2009). Here, partial nerve injury could make the nerve even more irritable, and complete nerve destruction could lead to denervation pain. 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